Dredmor Patch 1.0.10 RC9 Feedback Thread - I Believe in The Lever Fix

They haven't put it out on steam... or even released the patch yet!

Fixing one bug has a tendency of screwing up other thing you fixed and creating new bugs.

Not meaning to attack you or anything, but you don't sound like an ideal beta tester to me. You should probably just wait until they actually release the patch before trying it.

 

I'm glad that shirts could make it in this beta. I was worried I was the only one affected by them.

 

He does have a point, though. There are bugs that persist through patch after patch, even though they are supposedly fixed each time. His advice to work out the kinks as a priority over adding new goodies isn't a bad idea; he's just presenting it in a rather blunt and argumentive manner.

I will attest that the persistent bugs and UI niggles really do hamper one's enjoyment of the game, especially after you're a "veteran" and are simply trying new and exciting builds. There's all sorts of things that slow gameplay down or are inconvenient as hell, things like...

• Windows not saving positon and having to be dragged into place every time you load up.
• The fact that you can't click thru the crafting interface.
• The crafting interface still not working with the mouse scroll wheel.
• Random crashes that delete an entire floors' worth of work and you have no idea what you did to crash the game.
• Stat bugs galore - mostly variations of them not being applied or simply doing nothing at all.
• Belts going *poof* into the nether because you tried a shortcut (right-clicking) that works with every other gear slot.
• Having a combat log that can't be "rewound" and is basically useless when you encounter things like Monster Zoos that simply overwhelm it.
• Not seeing how much XP you get per kill/lockpick'd/Heroic Vandalism/etc. in text form anywhere - if you're playing on Fast Speed it's very, very hard to pick that stupid little Medal icon out from in-between the 17 damage numbers that popped up on the killing blow.
• Not being able to clear a slot in your 1-9 Skill Bar. If you decide that the skill in number 3 would be better as number 9, it will then be in both places permanently unless you learn a new skill and use it to "overwrite" number 3. Why is there not a blank box in the list of Skills To Put Here when you right-click one of those shortcut buttons?
• Related, how about clicking and dragging skills out of the Skill Book and onto the Skill Bar, like you do with Consumables into the Belt Bar? Those tiny little shrunk down icons the current method uses can be hard to distinguish from one another.
• Using Shift 1-9 or even just pressing one of the number keys sometimes does not recognized. I've died a few times because I hit, say, "7" to select a Movement Ability or Teleport, only to lethally My Chemical Explosion myself in the face because the game decided to ignore my input and leave my selected Skill as Number 3 (the aforementioned Chemical Explosion).
• And so on.

When you've been struggling with these things since patch 1.0.2 or thereabouts, it sometimes makes you think twice about firing up Dredmor for one more session. A little polish is sometimes better to (for?) the player than New Shinies.

 

EDIT: Read OP. Alright, I guess I can wait.

 

I can't get damage scaling to work, take this spell for example

<spell name="Rocket Jump Stomp" type="target">
<effect type="damage" crushing="4" crushingF="4" secondaryFactor="10" affectscaster="0" />
<anim sprite="sprites/sfx/impactA/impactA" frames="5" framerate="100" sfx="crushing" centerEffect="0"/>
<effect type="suction"/>
</spell>

supposedly with damage scaling, the attack will add 4 damage per point of Armor, but this effect does not work.

Also, the drainMana effect doesn't work.

 

Ruigi, read the OP. Scaling isn't active yet.

Marak et. al, just a small point: step back and look at your list of "kinks". Only 3 of them are things that actually need fixing (crashes, stat bugs, and belts), and all three of them are planned to be addressed by the patch. Seriously, these guys have been working their asses off to get this out at all -- the fact that they released the beta patch without a pile of internal testing isn't worth bitching about. The community can and does test shit far more in-depth, in-breadth, and faster than internal testing could ever allow.
They've done their part -- coding the patch as best as they've had time -- and now it's our turn: breaking it and telling them what needs more attention. That's the entire point of the beta-patch process. Let it do it's work.

 

The OP says that? I don't see. It looks like that's supposed to be one of the things working. Randomized damages and resistances are what haven't been added yet by the looks of it.

 

Ooops, my bad. You're right.

 

I don't know if this is related to any of the other known crashes, but I started a fresh game, made it fine to floor 3 (with some hiccups when going downstairs or randomly in the music), then I saved and quit because I had to go away. Now when I load the save (I have 4-5 enemies around me) as soon as I smack a couple of them my game crashes, crashed within 3 turns atleast 10 times, Maybe it's related to counter?

 

Same. Played for an hour with no crashes, saved and reloaded, now I crash regularly upon killing the first enemy (not always, though, it crashes on Deth, Excision, and Batty, but not Enraged Diggle) or if I try to eat or drink any Food or Booze. Potions/wands/mushrooms work fine, but food and booze crash one frame before the buff icon would hit the screen.

 

Hey Nicholas, are 'negative stats being added as positive bonuses permanently on level up' on the list of patch fixes? or is that a bug fix which isn't really possible to fit into this patch?

Just hoping to get some clear info on that bug.

(As an easy to test example of this bug: the negative mana and health regeneration bonuses applied by necronomics(etc) turn into permanent positive mana or health regen on level up -- this may only happen when the buffs are stacked or stacked after a certain point).

 

Sorry, I was referencing this:

That's a shame, clicking on arrow buttons to scroll is, well, clunky. And it's easy to miss the scroll button(s) and click Craft by mistake. Oh well, if it can't be fixed, it can't be fixed.

I'd settle for not scaling the icons down so much when selecting Skills to put in the Skill bar, honestly. Even at a modest 1024 x 768 resolution, those things are so small that often times, they cease to be distinct from each other, especially for things like the various Spell Schools, which tend to re-use a lot of the same colors in the icons.

No no, be cantankerous all you'd like: I'm the one derailing the thread. I was simply trying to say that I thought that ledow had some valid points, he was simply voicing them in a moderately hostile way. And then I got carried away, as I'm wont to do on forums.

So uh, yeah. Carry on, don't mind me. I'm eagerly awaiting this patch so I can take Tanky McTankerson II through Floors 10-15 in all their loot-and-trap-expanded glory.

 

Crowdsourced. Nice term. Also, when feeling the need to write such a statement, a good 'ol fashioned "RTFM" works to. In this case it would be RTFOP. .02 and 'liked'.

 

Can we get infinite wands for modding? Please? It can't be that hard!

 

I don't think that's necessary.
You can use the debug mode or modify the source code for yourself; it's not that difficult (and many of us are capable, and often wishing, to help with that).

 

It's actually for a mod, not to test a mod. I need to cast spells from items for an infinite amount of uses, but I can't get it right. I could end up with infinite stacks of burnt out wands, or have the spell only cast on the player!