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  1. Essence

    Essence Will Mod for Digglebucks

    If you don't mind a mod skill in the mix, I've had hella fun with this:

    Killer Vegan
    Ninjitsu
    Vampirism
    Thrown Weapons
    Alchemy
    Smithing
    Tourist OR Paranormal Investigator


    Seems odd, but it works surprisingly well. There's a LOT of synergies:

    Keeping Full HP:
    • Vegan gives HP and HP regen, which helps Vampirism leech more with every kill/corpse drain.
    • Alchemy gives oodles of Healing Potions (don't bother saving your iron for Smithing), and Mana Potions to power your Ninjitsu spells.
    • Smithing gives you 2 Iron Ingots out of each Iron Ore (which means 4 rust, which means 4 Healing Potions.)
    • Tourist is one more point of HP regen, and Vampirism scales off of it fast, so every point really counts.
    Avoiding Melee:
    • Vegan gives pets and Blinding Flash procs, which make it easier to stay out of melee.
    • Throwing gives Monster Toss, which also makes staying out of melee easier.
    • Ninjitsu gives you invisibility-on-dodge and a get-out-of-melee-free spell (Substitution Jutsu) and a stun-on-crit proc.

    Killing Stuff:
    • Vegan gives Righteous Damage, which applies to thrown weapons.
    • Ninjitsu gives you unlimited throwing ammo.
    • Smithing gives you Throwing Stars out of steel igots and NZappa Zapps out of Crude Iron Axes (so save them all!)
    • Alchemy gives you the almighty Noxious Brimstone Flask as well as a small variety of other AoE Throws.
    • Ninjitsu has wild and crazy throwing procs with Kuji Kiri
    • Throwing procs Fleshbore and Crushed Bones, making your thrown attacks nastier.
    Other:
    • Tourist gives your Vampire the ability to eat anything, which is nice, and the Get Out Of Trouble Free card, which you can totally cheat with by spreading your various Throwing Daggers out across your inventory, making it quite likely that you'll drop one of those instead of anything important.
    • Paranormal Investigator, on the other hand, has Xenochemistry which works well with Alchemy, and also has Alien Autopsy, which works well with the multiple crafting skills to make sure you'll have plenty of high-end hidden recipes by the time you can use them.
     
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  2. Michael88

    Michael88 Member

    Thank you for your suggestion guys I will try it out combination of things.

    Essence unfortunately I haven't beaten Dredmor yet so I am not using any mods :/
     
  3. Waervyn

    Waervyn Member

    How would the following build be? I tried a couple of crafting melee builds, but generally that got a bit tedious (moster zoo's take ages).

    Now I was thinking:

    Perception
    Archery
    Rogue scientist
    Daggers
    Dual wield
    Piracy
    Magical law

    The idea is to have lot's of counterchance. In order to deal with mages I'll have gag order as well as aoe damage from rogue scientist.
    Tactic for dredmor would be to create many invisibility and healing potions, gag order him, and keep shooting at him (while hopefully knocking him back with the archery blast). Once he's closeby I can put up swashbuckling, hit a couple of times and put up a invisibility potion.

    Would this be viable?
    I'm thinking of instead of perception to take burglary. Does lockup work against dredmor? And does it break if I damage him?

    Thanks!
     
  4. Michael88

    Michael88 Member

    Waervyn Try:

    Warlockery
    Dual Wield
    Staves
    Viking wizardry
    Necronomiconomics
    Emomancy
    Ley line walker

    This is the warrior build I used to get to lvl 14. Though I died from my own stupidity. never got to lvl 14 again from that day >.>

    All prase to Essence who shared this build with me :)
     
  5. Waervyn

    Waervyn Member

    Thanks for the tip, could you (if you can be bothered) give me a small overview on what the purpose of that build is? (which skills to level first etc.)?

    Thanks a lot :)
     
  6. Wootah

    Wootah Member

    died last night to some rare monster. Hit for 35 damage, 30 of it being:dmg_acidic: on floor 7. I was foolish as I had tons of invis pots from perception, but being a melee heavy build (without a weapon specific) I thought I would survive more than 1 hit. As it was almost dead.

    Even with a high block, the RNG hated on me.
    But the build was pretty fun

    Clockwork Knight
    Perception
    Blacksmithing
    Communism
    Demonology
    Berserker
    Paranormal Investigator

    All in all, It was great except I never once found a still on NTTG. I could have used it with the 1 point from xenochemistry.
     
  7. Essence

    Essence Will Mod for Digglebucks

    The basic concept is to end up as a melee wizard, using Necro's Mark of Cththon and Pact of Fleeting Life, the Staves skill, and Warlockery to hit people in the face with sticks while using Tenebrous Rift to clear zoos. Viking Wizardry and Dual Wield are basically just there for their first levels, respectively, to get you through the first floor.

    Step 1: Establish basic melee competence: take Staves level 2.

    Step 2: Protect yourself from Necro's downsides: take Emomancy to The Cure, then Warlockery 2, then Emomancy up to Mark of the Black Eyeliner. Between Mage's Mana Maille and Mark of the Black Eyeliner, you have enough :resist_nercomatic: to spam Necro spells fairly willy-nilly. During this time, your main offense will be staves and My Chemical Explosion, which is amazing in the early floors.

    Step 3: Necrofy. Take Necro up to Tenebrous Rift. Keep Mark of Cththon and Mark of the Black Eyeliner up constantly; use Pact of Fleeting Life every time you face a horde, and Rift for zoos.

    Step 4: Ley Lines. All the way up. Need mana, and the teleport is critical.

    Step 5: Warlockery. Up to Arcane Capacitor. Or all the way, because after that, you're wide open. Now that you've reached max ability, your basic tactics for ordinary monsters are "hit in face. repeat." For named mobs, it's "teleport away. Pelt with spells until it's 4 squares away. Activate Arcane Capacitor. Pelt with 3 more spells. Punch in face with charged Capacitor. If it's still alive, hit Chronomantic Twist and beatstick it in the face for a few rounds." For zoos, it's "Tenebrous Rift. Close door. Collect XP."

    It's a really powerful build whose only real weakness is in Step 2, when you have to play a couple of levels with high squishiness and only moderate offense. :)




    Warlockery
    Dual Wield
    Staves
    Viking wizardry
    Necronomiconomics
    Emomancy
    Ley line walker
     
  8. Essence

    Essence Will Mod for Digglebucks

    Then try switching Wandlore (yep!) for Ninjitsu. Wandlore gives you even more healing, decursing, :dmg_aethereal: damage to your thrown weapons, and some bonus :magic_resist: in addition to more fodder for Alien Autopsy. Also, encrusts! :)
     
  9. Nacho

    Nacho Member

    Egyptian Magic
    Magical Law
    Tourist
    Emomancy (could have probably used Mathmagic instead, only wanted it for the lv 1 ability to teleport away from bad things)
    Laywalker
    Magic Training
    Bloodmage

    Use Laylines, Extra-planar Concentration, and Bloodmagic to keep my mana high while I use all 4 Egyptian Magic glyphs and Sandstorm anyone I see to oblivion. Or Gag order them if there's only 1 and I don't feel like wasting mana. Or just smack them with Ra's Blast if they're already close enough for that. It's really mana intensive, and also really really powerful.
     
  10. lujo86

    lujo86 Member

    I took your (Essence's) build and went XP crazy with it. It's doing rather fine at lvl 6 with half of the second and 1/3 of the first floor explored and no inconsequentia or wizardlands quests. GR.

    I went

    Warlockery
    Necronomiconomics
    Emomancy
    Lay Line walker
    Big Game Hunter
    Archeology
    Burglary

    Went lvl 2 Burglary, BGH up to lvl 4, lvl 2 Archeology, i'm close to next lvl which will be lvl 2 Necro so I can kill guys behing bars which includes a 600 XP Baron who blinked there at a sliver of XP, that along with all the warehouse fodder ought to get me back on track rather soon.

    Then I'm building the way you did. Got lucky with a +2 traps ring along with a +1 traps gauntlets. Also managed to clear the lvl 2 zoo right away with an icicly wand drop. Never tried warlockery before, seems a bit overpowered :)
     
  11. Michael88

    Michael88 Member

    Be sure to use "Essence of Battle" to "Empower" your abilities. You'll lose all your mana but you'll destroy everything :)
    Using it with "Charged Arcane Capacitor" will make a light show =3

    Only "Chronomantic Twist" can't be empowered though :/
     
  12. Essence

    Essence Will Mod for Digglebucks

    Chronomantic Twist can be empowered. It gives you an extra turn of enemy-paralyzing power if you do. :)
     
  13. Corlindale

    Corlindale Member

    Number 1 cause of death in DoD :)

    I'm still tinkering with the optimal burglary/counterstrike build for beating GR - painfully, I lost the last one to a random crash + cloud issue after having had insanely good item luck on the first few levels (complete with a Ring of Digglish Torment from a 1st level fountain).

    Currently I'm running:

    Burglary (for stealing and panic buttons)
    Piracy (for swashbuckling)
    Dual-wielding (for more counter)
    Daggers (for even more counter)
    Communism (experimenting with this for the first time. Hammer & Sickle to start ensures early viability with a dual-wield build regardless of item luck, and the first skill is handy too)
    Fungal Arts (great skill for any build)
    Big Game Hunter (more xp, to reach ~100 counter chance sooner).

    Haven't got that far on my current run. I'm considering swapping out Piracy next time, since I figure it might end up being a crutch as I plan on eventually getting near-100 counter chance unbuffed anyway. It's just SO handy for dealing with early elites/zoos, but I suppose I could use ranged consumables for that instead (or swap it out for Tinkering so I could make bolts for that purpose). I might also swap in swords for better counter-chance, I just hate being shoehorned into a particular weapon type - especially with a dual-wielding build.
     
  14. Bohandas

    Bohandas Member

    I've been doing a bunch of theme builds

    Throwing
    -Thrown Weapons
    -Smithing (for thrown knives)
    -Alchemy (for brimstone flasks)
    -Piracy (for cannonballs)
    -Clockwork Knight (for building concussion bombs)
    -Perception (for crafting ingredients and increased sight range)
    -Tourist (for increased sight range and because I hadn't tried it yet)

    Ultimate Crafting
    -Smithing
    -Tinkering
    -Alchemy
    -Wandcrafting
    -Clockwork Knight
    -Rogue Scientist
    -Perception (for crafting ingredients)

    Mobility
    -Mathemagic
    -Clockwork Knight
    -Artful Dodger
    -Emomancy (for love will teleport us away)
    -Magical Law (for confiscate Evidence)
    -Golemancy (for Digging Ray)
    (I forget the last one, but it wasn't wither of the ones that it should've been [ie. Tourism for Get Away From it All or Werediggle for digging])

    Economics
    -Bankster
    -Communist
    -Necronomeconomics
    -Mathemagic
    -Piracy
    -Burglary
    -Magical law
     
  15. Emir Fassad

    Emir Fassad Member

    Try this for a run down & touch bottom build:
    Archeology
    Burglary
    Perception
    Dodger
    Law
    Assassination
    Psionics

    Never Krong anything but the fedora.

    Run down & touch bottom is: as soon as you have found three exits you can't explore any new territory on that level. Oh, and you gotta wear the fedora all the time.

    ...ef
     
  16. Essence

    Essence Will Mod for Digglebucks

    Why Artful Dodger?
     
  17. Emir Fassad

    Emir Fassad Member

    Why not? ;)

    In truth, I originally had Paranormal instead of Psi but I was getting a less than 30% survival over the first few encounters so I swapped Psionics for Paranormal and left the rest of the build the same.
    ...ef
     
  18. Lorrelian

    Lorrelian Member

    I prefer the "meteoric descent" variant, where you clear DL 1 and then take the first flight of stairs down you find every time (no going back up). I usually die spectacularly around DL 7.
     
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  19. Emir Fassad

    Emir Fassad Member

    Run Down & Touch Bottom can be challenging with a character who has minimal combat skills & no crafting.
     
  20. Bohandas

    Bohandas Member

    Now I remember, it was Paranormal Investigator for Close Encounter.