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Windows 7 is driving me insane.

Discussion in 'Discussions' started by Aegho, Oct 14, 2012.

  1. Aegho

    Aegho Member

    Ok so I need to vent... and maybe someone can help me...

    Two days ago I got a new GFX card, new SSD, and windows 7.


    There were complications, install took me over 10 hours, and I had to fiddle around quite a bit inside the box, and buy two new sticks of RAM to replace what I had.

    I get it running and it's super-slow, the slightest action takes 5+ minutes. I fiddle around a bit, disable windows updates, and finally get it working, play some XCOM.

    Next day everything runs smooth, play lots of XCOM.

    Next day, wake up, computer won't wake from energysaver mode... reboot... and all my problems are back with a vengeance. Try to troubleshoot, only seems to make it worse.

    Oh and somewhere along the line I figured out that unplugging my network cable makes the slowdowns go away, but of course no internet for me... oh and XCOM will crash if played in steam's offline mode(DRM I guess).

    Some of my meddling appears to have made it impossible to connect to the internet, but the slowdowns persist if I plug the cable in.

    I'm tearing my hair out here.

    Posted from my laptop...
     
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  2. delta534

    delta534 Member

    A few questions, did you do a clean install of windows 7 or did you upgrade an existing install,.what cpu do you have, are all the drivers up to date?
     
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  3. Aegho

    Aegho Member

    Clean install on never-before-used drive(new SSD), old drives not connected.

    Core 2 duo 2.4 ghz(E6600).

    No idea on the drivers to be honest, it's what win 7 installed with, exception of my new GF660GTX which has the newest drivers.
     
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  4. Kaidelong

    Kaidelong Member

    What motherboard are you using? Does it perchance have a VIA chipset? When the computer reboots, does windows spend time re-detecting all your hardware? If that's what is happening, you need to change your mobo.
     
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  5. LionsDen

    LionsDen Member

    Or just possibly he could get away with replacing the battery on the motherboard that keeps all of the settings for his BIOS.

    Most drivers that come with the Windows 7 install are out of date just minutes after the disk is pressed, if not long before. Try getting the latest drivers, especially for your networking gear and see if that helps any.
     
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  6. Aegho

    Aegho Member

    It's a Gigabyte GA-965P-S3 mobo, and no it doesn't spend time redetecting things. But it takes a minimum of 3 minutes extra for the windows startup and login sequence if I have my network cable plugged in (much faster otherwise).
     
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  7. Daynab

    Daynab Community Moderator Staff Member

    Have you installed the mobo's network/ethernet drivers? Normally they're not needed but it might help in your case.
    I really don't see why this would be happening other than you having some kind of faulty hardware, though.
     
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  8. delta534

    delta534 Member

    My best guess is that the drivers installed by windows does not quite work with the Network, assuming you are using the mother board network hardware, go here and select the version correct version of windows 7 you are using, it will likely be the 64 bit version.
     
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  9. Aegho

    Aegho Member

    Already updated the network drivers, didn't help...
     
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  10. Daynab

    Daynab Community Moderator Staff Member

    If windows 7 is installed on the SSD, have you set your bios to AHCI before installing, as seen here?
     
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  11. Aegho

    Aegho Member

    Yes I had to set bios to AHCI to get it installed in the first place.
     
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  12. Daynab

    Daynab Community Moderator Staff Member

    Sorry man, those were my only ideas, all I can say is it sounds like some kind of hardware problem but I don't know what.
    Windows 7 is quick even on my dad's old single core PC.
     
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  13. delta534

    delta534 Member

    What brand of SSD did you get also could you run put ipconfig /all into the command prompt of the new computer with the network cable plugged in, hit enter and report back what it spews out.
     
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  14. OmniaNigrum

    OmniaNigrum Member

    The very first thing I do on any system is go into the BIOS and disable *EVERYTHING* I do not have a use for. If it has IDE mode enabled by default for compatibility with antiquated hard drives, I disable that. Set the SATA ports to AHCI mode and disable the fake RAID controller that will give you more headaches than you can shake a stick at. (Yes, I know this has been mentioned, I am just running down the mental list anyway.)

    If the motherboard has integrated video, disable it entirely. No need to have it confusing Windows when you are running on a real GPU.

    If there is *ANYTHING* overclocked at all then set it to stock speeds. That includes memory that is rated for higher than 1333 Mhz DDR3. And set timings to 7-7-7-24 and see if it works. You can tune to better speeds and timings later if it works fine.

    Set a fixed Paging file the same size as your RAM in the system. If Windows ever asks for more than that, then something has a memory hole and will fuck everything else up in time.

    And probably a dumb question, but did you initialize the SSD to 4KB sector size or is it set to the ancient default of 512 byte sector size? If the latter, that explains a hell of a lot of the problems you could be having. Seemingly different things break down due to that one weak link if that is the case. (While the SSD is experiencing unexplainable lags of ten seconds or so because it cannot access the data it contains in the fashion it was designed for, it could cause drivers to not properly load.)

    I fully expect more than half of this does not even apply to your case, but I would rather be a windbag and hit the mark with one or two of a million little notations.
     
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  15. Kazeto

    Kazeto Member

    While I don't necessarily agree with the first paragraph of Omni's (there are things that you might not have a use for that the system might benefit from using regardless, but that is another thing entirely) and would like to add "at least" to the part about paging file size (it doesn't have to be larger if you have a lot of RAM and know how to use your stuff, but I think "normal" computer users [read "normal" as "non-IT-guys"] should let it be bigger if need be, so that their computers won't hang due to a simple memory leak), other than that he speaks wisdom.
     
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  16. Aegho

    Aegho Member

    Before anything else is said: I left the computer on with internet and went grocery shopping, internet worked fine when I got back, probably explains the last time it went smooth. Late reply because I've been playing XCOM. Guess it's just extremely slow to initialize everything. :p

    It's an OCZ Agility 3, 120 GB.
    Code:
    Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
    Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. Med ensamrätt.
     
    IP-konfiguration för Windows
     
      Värddatornamn . . . . . . . . . . : XCOM
      Primärt DNS-suffix. . . . . . . . :
      Nodtyp. . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
      IP-routning aktiverat . . . . . . : Nej
      WINS-proxy aktiverat. . . . . . . : Nej
     
    Ethernet-anslutning Anslutning till lokalt nätverk:
     
      Anslutningsspecifika DNS-suffix . :
      Beskrivning . . . . . . . . . . . : Marvell Yukon 88E8056 PCI-E Gigabit Ether
    net Controller
      DHCP aktiverat. . . . . . . . . . : Ja
      Autokonfiguration aktiverat . . . : Ja
      Nätmask . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
      Lånet erhölls . . . . . . . . . . : den 14 oktober 2012 22:20:27
      Lånet upphör. . . . . . . . . . . : den 15 oktober 2012 04:40:30
      IAID för DHCPv6 . . . . . . . . . : 234886886
      DUID för DHCPv6-klient. . . . . . : 00-01-00-01-18-09-F3-90-00-16-E6-D5-95-61
     
      DNS-servrar . . . . . . . . . . . : 79.138.0.180
                                          85.8.31.209
      NetBIOS över TCP/IP . . . . . . . : Aktiverat
     
    Tunnelanslutning: 6TO4 Adapter:
     
      Anslutningsspecifika DNS-suffix . :
      Beskrivning . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft 6to4 Adapter
      Fysisk adress . . . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
      DHCP aktiverat. . . . . . . . . . : Nej
      Autokonfiguration aktiverat . . . : Ja
      IPv6-adress . . . . . . . . . . . : 2002:57f1:5cd2::57f1:5cd2(Standard)
      Standard-gateway. . . . . . . . . : 2002:c058:6301::c058:6301
      DNS-servrar . . . . . . . . . . . : 79.138.0.180
                                          85.8.31.209
      NetBIOS över TCP/IP . . . . . . . : Inaktiverat
     
    Tunnelanslutning: isatap.{E90EDEFD-0208-4308-BD5E-88D12D6ABF1A}:
     
      Tillstånd . . . . . . . . . . . . : Frånkopplad
      Anslutningsspecifika DNS-suffix . :
      Beskrivning . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter #2
      Fysisk adress . . . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
      DHCP aktiverat. . . . . . . . . . : Nej
      Autokonfiguration aktiverat . . . : Ja
     
    Tunnelanslutning: Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:
     
      Anslutningsspecifika DNS-suffix . :
      Beskrivning . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
      Fysisk adress . . . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
      DHCP aktiverat. . . . . . . . . . : Nej
      Autokonfiguration aktiverat . . . : Ja
      IPv6-adress . . . . . . . . . . . : 2001:0:5ef5:73b8:2c39:3bc2:a80e:a32d(Stan
    dard)
      Länklokal IPv6-adress . . . . . . : fe80::2c39:3bc2:a80e:a32d%14(Standard)
      Standard-gateway. . . . . . . . . :
      NetBIOS över TCP/IP . . . . . . . : Inaktiverat
    
    Apologies for swedish OS. :p

    That could be it... how do I go about initializing it to 4kb sector size?
     
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  17. OmniaNigrum

    OmniaNigrum Member

    I did a quick search and found this to answer the "Initialization" question. (I used the wrong term.)
    http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/f...BC-for-OCZ-SSD&p=567558&viewfull=1#post567558

    On of the Newegg reviews says this about the drive:
    "Windows doesn't automatically detect this drive as an SSD, meaning Disk Defragmenter, Superfetch, etc. aren't automatically disabled as they should be by Windows. Not sure if this is a Windows issue or an OCZ issue though."

    And that brings to mind that you should manually disable indexing on the drive too. If it is the only heavily used drive in the system, you can entirely disable the indexing service for a hefty boost to overall system speeds with the specific exception of searching for files on mechanical drives.

    For example, I have a 80GB Intel SSD and a 1TB mechanical drive. I disabled indexing for both simply because I know where everything I want is.
     
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  18. OmniaNigrum

    OmniaNigrum Member

    Oh, you may want to remove your IP address and other such information from the quote. No-one needs that information and it can be used against you if there is a total jerk trolling this forum.

    And to clarify about the link above, presuming you installed Windows 7 on it and Windows 7 was the OS that formatted the drive, then the link shows it will be set correctly. So you need not worry about that unless you formatted it initially in XP or something.
     
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  19. OmniaNigrum

    OmniaNigrum Member

    Hell, at the danger of triple posting...
    The current version of the firmware for the drive is 2.25. Here is the easy explanation of how to check it.
    faqpic1.jpg

    If that shows anything less than 2.25 then you need to check this link.
    http://www.ocztechnology.com/ssd_tools/SandForce_Based/
     
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  20. delta534

    delta534 Member

    I don't see any errors in ipconfig log, but I was worried that you got a OCZ SSD since they tend to be crap. There is no way to change sector size of a hard disk, you can change the NTFS cluster size but that requires formatting the drive.
     
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