BETA 54B BETA 54B: UWAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHH... SUCH TERRIFYING POWER

Well now you can build way too many Carpentry Workbenches and Stone Ovens far too early without the game beating you up over it...

 

Giving it a shot... my god is doing anything with a workshop now a huge convoluted mess.

Build a carpentry, then you have to build basic bench. This does practically nothing except make planks and makes a 2nd type of bench.

You build the second type of bench and this gives you some options to make other types of benches and the like, including a 3rd bench that you then build that then lets you make decor.


And this is level of break down carried across to every single workshop.... Ceramics... you have the kiln, then you have about 3 different types of tables to make different types of things... do you need an assembly table in your ceramics if you have one in your carpentry? Do they just make the same things or do they cover different items based on the type of workshop? Who the fuck knows.... just build everything blindly, hope you're doing something practical and cross your fingers whilst you try figure out why you need 37 different types of workbench in your colony now.... of course you can't go to crazy trying things as now you have a support limit to such constructions in your colony based on the number of overseers you can maintain relative to the housing present....

*sighs*

Edit: Getting a distant Peter Molyneux vibe of "People are enjoying my game and doing something I don't really want them to do so much. So I'm going to make doing what they enjoy time consumingly annoying and unenjoyable until they play the way I wanted... that way I can assure longevity.".

 

Haven't gotten too far in...but I'm playing again and doing my happy fishy people dance...so far. LOL. Only one glitch I've seen is that the Booze Vat was greyed out on the workbench, I still put it up and it was red, and it did get built.

Also, a bit of trouble scrolling on the overseer list...it keeps moving and you can just smoothly scroll up and down.

Holy moly on the bandit attacks...they got a LOT harder since the last time I played...I lost a lot of guys. One of my dead guys just laid there on the ground...I didn't see a notification that my graveyard was full, but I put a second in and BAM...they buried him.

Love the colonists going bat Sh!t crazy from despair...running around...too funny. Oh and I think one of my Overseers is just too comfy in their home to leave...hasn't starved to death yet, but has been there for a number of days.

I am going to restart now that I've gotten my feet wet on the changes I did miss, and start over tomorrow. I wish I had more time to play tonight...peanut gallery is having fun, too. Hoping to see what the Office Supplies are all about...

Oh and I'm not sure, but when were cots not allowed to be built in the barracks? I found that a bit odd....barracks = sleeping quarters for military. I get that you have the population control via the housing...but I thought the barracks would still be allowed cots and it not count towards the population control...although I'm not a programmer so I have no clue how that would work...I remember you could put cots in any building...which I thought was funny, puts working from home into a whole new perspective.

 

Time to write a tech tree of items...

Hmm... so many modules...

Probably the same time cots were only allowed to be built in houses. The real question isn't why not there, by why there

 

To whomever complained about the carpentry bench having too many recipes. Thanks.

 

So noticed a new building in the modules section, the steam knight manufactory modules have dev requirement to be built, naturally, workshop doesn't appear in buildings, so i'm guessing this accidentally slipped in

PS: can we get the arsenal back for building weapon lockers and ammunition instead of a billion workbench types

Also, whywere carpets nerfed harder than rugs considering they take up 6 floor-spots but only give 2 quality now.

 

I hear what you're saying, but I like this new way. The big reason: Less scrolling.

With the old system, the carpentry workbench did EVERYTHING, so what you did was build 3 or 5 benches at the start of the game, staff them, then have one or two always focus on planks, while the rest you'd have to constantly scroll through an absurdly massive list of every item the workbench could make, which was pretty much everything - It was painful on the eyes really. I mean, we have to do this A LOT in the game.

Breaking up those lists is worth having to build different benches in my opinion.

 

If the objective behind the half dozen or however many layers of benches is to make the order lists cleaner, much better ways that could have been done I'd say.

For example introduce a low end 'manufacturing table' for producing workshop-exclusive items like planks and basic tier items of decor and tier 1 production modules (Keeping it to 1 per workshop type).

Then as the carpentry is upgraded you can produce more complex machinery like the power saw for later tiers of carpentry exclusive modules of that related tier, and apply the same logic to other workshops.... the point being it's still the same type of module just of a different technology grade.

Lastly the creation of general purpose 'hand held' objects like bric-a-brac and such, then use a generic purpose bench that all appropriate workshops share.


Would beat having benches that do little more than make more benches which then make other benches which then only make one type of item... and having to kind of guess if you even need a certain type of bench in other workshops to produce something new or if it's just crossover.

Plus would give a better sense of 'progression' and some indication on where you might want to focus advancing the colony beyond just 'Build more buildings' if you actually had to make do with crude woodwork related decor before you could even get access to make rugs or other such things of a higher decor-tier.


Though the more obvious (but more effort involved) approach would have been to just throw in filter buttons in what type of objects are listed in a modules drop down. So you disable decor and drop down the list on a production module and no decor orders are shown, like the stockpile filter. And then avoid making a mess of the existing clean and self-explanatory setup that was already in place.

 

It used to be possible to do so much with so few overseers but now... eh well I guess it is sort of ok as you can build enough to get +8 more overseers (for example) much faster than the earlier production point based systems. But still, I liked running with very few overseers.

 

hmmm also just noticed you can't even control what types of activities any workcrew does?!?

What the frell is going on?

 

I guess that's the philosophy of "don't let the players do micro if you don't want them to micro the Dickens out of it". I suppose you could watch what a crew is doing and then assign them laborers depending on the size of the job, but I rather enjoy not having to worry about it. Last version I did spend a bit more time then was fun managing specialized construction/forestry/hauling crews, so I rather approve.

 

Just ran across what I can only assume is a bug with the 'Stahlmarkian Rogue' event where the event notification appeared but it's empty and clicking it does nothing even leaving the game unpaused running for a time:



Can't upload any of the save, console or replay to this post as any of them return the error that the file size is too large for the server to process, and even zipped it's 3.98mb which can't be attached. So the zip with the 3 files can be found here.

 

That's what I thought too, hah.

 

@Alavaria Thanks for the info...like I said I haven't played in awhile, so I was out of the loop.

@Nicholas Peanut gallery and I haven't seen any work crew filters...may have a sneaky ninja bug. Can't control the military at all, Peanut Gallery is having an issue right now, that the workers keep running away from something further away from the colony and since he can't direct the military to go and check it out, they are in a bit of a vicious loop...workers go up, run away...Not being able to control the military makes the bandit attacks just brutal...especially since population control has come into play.

I like this patch...so far...again didn't get a chance to get into it as much as I'd like, pesky sleep...but I do think maybe easing up on the Overseer control would be a nice thing...especially since every bandit attack I've had thus far has left me with one less overseer every time...which then puts me into a stalemate because of not enough of them to run the buildings, gather the materials to build the middle class housing to get another Overseer. I do like the population control, don't get me wrong...but I think it needs to be eased up just a bit for the Overseers...not the labourers...that seems to be very balanced.

 

Fish People are oblivious to being on fire. It still hurts them, but they just continue casually walking if they're flamed by an inspector.

Haven't been able to test fire on colonists yet to see if it's the same.

 

Yeah, can't order your soldiers to clear out a bandit camp, or in anyway prepare for things either.

I wonder if bandits attacking buildings (like say, a Bunkhouse wall) triggers military alarm...

 

Would be nice to at least have drag-select for hunting, especially for beetle herds and other large groups of animals. Individually clicking each animal is a bit much.